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  • #5356
    Adam
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    National rail fares, caps and travelcard are due to rise in less than 4 weeks time. While the news that TfL are holding single fares is great, the balance between whether to use oyster / contactless or a paper ticket will change, particularly for stations outside zones 1-6 which face the 7.9% uplift in 1 day travelcards. Have TfL / TOCs indicated when the new fares and caps will be available?
    Some questions that I have:
    Which single fares will still go up? Any where NR TOCs get a share of revenue (e.g. Liverpool St. to Stratford)? Or just outside zone 6? What about NR within zone 6 (e.g Moorgate to Hadley Wood)?
    Regarding caps beyond z6: Will they mirror the new travelcard prices or will they not be increase by the 3% travelcard surcharge?
    I’m expecting it will be advantageous to pre-buy paper tickets for many journeys involving NR or to split journeys at the z6 boundary or interchange station.

    #5359
    Mike (admin)
    Keymaster

    Hi Adam,

    Sadly the govenment’s (Department for Transport) desire for secrecy has spilled over into TfL this year so that the Mayoral Decision with the new fares did not include the NR single fares as usual. I find this mind-numbingly frustrating. I hope that this is the last year we have to suffer this treatment.

    What is known is that virtually all TfL fares are frozen, including the lines out of Liverpool Street. Fares to Brentwood and Shenfield will rise, as well as Watford Junction and west of West Drayton to Reading.

    Single fares set at the NR rate and NR-T rate will rise in line with the general regulated increase, but exact details of rounding are not yet known. Outside zones 1-6 I expect that caps will still be aligned with the new travelcard prices. I don’t know for certain yet though.

    #5360
    Adam
    Participant

    Thanks. Let’s watch and see! Looks like we’ll see more split ticketing opportunities! And lots more people interchanging at places like Bounds Green, Ealing Bwy, W Ruislip, Balham, Woolwich, Upminster etc. Also Cheshunt and Watford Jn if Overground fares are held.

    #5361
    kt1974
    Participant

    Any news on non-single TfL-only fares within zone 6? Specifically travelcard prices and daily/weekly/monthly caps – are they are frozen too, or does nobody know yet?

    #5362
    Mike (admin)
    Keymaster

    kt1974: Travelcards and caps are not frozen because a percentage goes to the National Rail TOCs.

    Adam: Watford Junction fares will not be frozen.

    #5367
    kt1974
    Participant

    Finally…

    Details here. Was there a press release? I’ve been googling every day to find it:
    https://tfl.gov.uk/campaign/new-fares

    Now to decide whether to get a travel card or PAYG… Downside of PAYG is that my credit card hates it, and constantly declines suspicious duplicate TfL pending holds and daily cap transactions… which leads to regular double-charging as TfL claws back unpaid fares

    #5368
    Adam
    Participant

    Hopefully the single fare finder will be updated with the new NR fares and the caps beyond z6. I wonder how they’ll handle Cheshunt and Watford Junction where there’s a mix of Overground and NR. Similarly Reading or Shenfield with the EL.

    #5369
    Mike (admin)
    Keymaster

    Kt1974: No press release. You ought to query with your bank why their systems are over-sensitive towards TfL transactions.

    Adam: Cheshunt fares appear to be frozen. This is probably because GA are compensated for charging TfL fares over that line. Fares for Watford Junction will be increased in line with National policy, as will fares to stations beyond West Drayton and to Shenfield.

    I hope the single fare finder does get updated soon, though I fear that the DfT have told TfL not to do so.

    #5370
    Adam
    Participant

    Looks like GA is a bargain compared to GN. I travelled from Hertford N. to Kingston yesterday via Willesden Jn. avoiding zone 1 at £4.45 (with railcard). From Hertford E. it’s £3.85. The difference will only get wider … at least until LO is allowed to take over the Moorgate lines from GN.

    #5373
    Mike (admin)
    Keymaster

    The fares from Hertford North seem to be a bit muddled. The same default fares are charged for travel to Camden Road, Blackfriars NR and East Croydon. It doesn’t seem to matter whether you avoid zone 1 or not, as long as you don’t change to the Underground. It might be worth asking GTR why this is.

    Also, even if LO take over the Moorgate services don’t expect fares to change beyond zone 6.

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