23/10/2023 at 00:50 #5174
Hi all! I’d firstly like to thank the admins for such a resourceful site — though I suppose it is rather depressing that London has such a complex fare structure that tens of pages are needed to explain it all!
I have an 18+ Student Oyster card with a 16-25 Railcard Discount applied.
I was wondering what this mystery 5.30 cap I’ve been getting is. It doesn’t seem to be the bus and tram cap which I understand to be at 5.25 — and either way it includes a tube journey so I don’t suppose it’d be that anyway?
(1) £5.30 daily total
18:14 Bus journey, route 24 £0.75 £20.60
16:28 – 16:46 Victoria [London Underground] to Warren Street £2.80 £21.35
16:18 Bus journey, route 24
(2) £5.30 daily total
17:30 Bus journey, route 24 £0.00 £4.90
15:26 – 15:36 Tottenham Court Road to Camden Town £0.05 £4.90
14:46 – 15:04 London Bridge [London Underground] to Tottenham Court Road £1.75 £4.95
13:14 Bus journey, route 133 £0.00 £6.70
12:46 Bus journey, route 26 £1.75 £6.70
10:33 Bus journey, route 24 £1.75 £8.45
I’ve hit what I understand to be the regular Z1-Z2 cap before, so not too sure why the 5.30 cap sometimes applies. I assume it relates to the lack of peak time tube travel?
(3) £8.10 daily total
18:08 Bus journey, route 24 £0.75 £20.25
16:17 – 16:30 Pimlico to Goodge Street £2.80 £21.00
13:47 – 14:00 Warren Street to Pimlico £1.75 £23.80
08:22 – 08:35 Pimlico to Warren Street £2.80 £25.55
Is the main takeaway that when I take an (or several) off peak tube journey(s), it can be combined with bus journeys to reach a mystery 5.30 cap — just 5p more than the bus and tram only cap?23/10/2023 at 01:41 #5175Mike (admin)Keymaster
Yes, the railcard discounted Oysters have an off-peak cap which is £5.30 for zones 1-2. This includes all travel after 0930, including the afternoon peak.23/10/2023 at 11:54 #5176
Thanks for the prompt answer Mike!
Seems that I missed that repeatedly by selecting Student 18+ when looking up the caps on the TfL website.
As an added question for future reference, would that make buying a weekly/monthly/annual Travelcard which 18+ card holders get 33% off more worthwhile or would the Railcard’s lower off-peak capping suffice? Adding to this, there seems to be the lack of a weekly discounted Railcard Z1-Z2 cap which seems to be the full adult cap rather than 33% off which I suppose gives an added pro to the Travelcard? I suppose the answer overall would depend on the amount of peak time travel (in addition to the amount of days I’d travel)?
Additionally, on an unrelated note, I’ve taken a look at your ‘When not to use Oyster’ page and was wondering whether the Gatwick example also applied to Oyster cards with the Railcard Discount applied? Aside from a single where Oyster seems to win hands down regardless, I assume the situation would be the same as regular fares?23/10/2023 at 15:24 #5177Mike (admin)Keymaster
Ah yes, I see how that could be confusing. I’ll have a think about how to make that clearer on here.
Travelcard vs caps is a do the maths thing I’m afraid. If you’re travelling before 0930 and going into or via zone 1 then the discounted travelcard is probably better. If you avoid zone 1 and/or only travel after 0930 then it’s unclear which is better.
And Gatwick is the same for railcard fares too. Even the 16-18 zip card isn’t as good if you have a 16-17 Saver card for National Rail, whereas it used to make quite a difference.23/10/2023 at 16:34 #5178
Thanks once again for the prompt answer Mike!
Guess I’ll be sticking to just the Railcard capping for the time being and will give it another look once I’ve done a month of the same traveling pattern.
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