09/10/2021 at 12:53 #3549
I’m aware that, usually, taking a NR in the middle of a fare bumps up the overall cost. I planned a journey going from
Tooting Broadway to White City, going via Balham (to Clapham Junction and on through to Shepherds Bush NR via the overground) to avoid zone 1, and it comes out as £1.80 peak. Amazing!
However if you opt to get off at Shepherds Bush NR rather than fiddling about changing to the central line at the end, to achieve the same £1.80 you are recommended to do the below:
“Avoiding Zone 1 via Clapham North/Clapham High Street and Clapham Junction”
Basically in this instance Balham’s lack of Overground service is going to bump up the cost.
I am sure it makes sense somewhere but I can’t figure out why Balham NR sometimes adds an extra cost and sometimes does not. It also costs more if I start the journey at Balham and terminate at Shepherds Bush NR, skipping the tube altogether, so I assume it’s something to do with bookending a journey with tube entrances. But then the route going via Clapham High Street (to avoid Balham) ends at Shepherds Bush NR too, and still costs £1.80.
I guess my real question is that I don’t believe that the first journey will actually come out as £1.80, because shorter journeys within the same route come out as £2.90.
Has anyone with an Oyster Card tried this route?09/10/2021 at 18:28 #3550
Hi M (007 related?)
I think the main issue is the difference between types of NR. Most of London Overground is treated as if it were the Underground so any permutation of your journey which doesn’t involve Balham to Clapham Junction will be charged at the cheaper rate.
Offering cheaper journeys via Balham does appear to be a possible error. I may try it out in the coming weeks.10/10/2021 at 23:04 #3551AndyboyParticipant
The £1.80 for a peak Z23 ‘Tube’ journey seems correct to me: as Mike says, “most of London Overground is treated as if it were the Underground”.
Balham has both Tube and Rail gates so the fare is different depending on whether you use Balham LU or Balham NR or both.
From Balham you can get the £1.80 fare if you touch in at Balham Tube (not Rail), get off at Clapham North, walk to Clapham High Street Overground, then continue to Clapham Junction and Shepherds Bush NR, so you’re not using actual NR at all, only Overground.
From Balham NR, changing at Clapham Junction then onto Shepherds Bush NR, you are using actual NR hence the higher cost.
From Tooting Broadway, there are only Tube gates, so it’s £1.80 for Tooting Broadway – Clapham North – Clapham High Street Overground – Clapham Junction – Shepherds Bush NR (no actual NR).
For Tooting Broadway – Balham LU – Balham NR – Clapham Junction – Shepherds Bush NR, it’s £2.90 peak because it involves actual NR.
Or am I not understanding the situation correctly?10/10/2021 at 23:46 #3552
Tooting Broadway to Shepherd’s Bush NR does separate the different routes from Balham. The OP actually added on a further leg to White City which then combines changing at either Clapham North or Balham with the same fare.
This actually complicates things somewhat. Using contactless you’ll be charged the fare that the single fare finder says. If you use Oyster it will charge the higher fare on exiting at Shepherd’s Bush NR and won’t refund it when you end the journey at White City. However, when the journey is run through the contactless back end later it will then refund the difference.
That’s a good spot about Shepherd’s Bush.13/10/2021 at 09:08 #3557
Hi Andyboy, that’s 100% correct, my confusion is based on the little “(or Balham)” in this £1.80 route (which is the second route you described, with White City tacked on the end).
Avoiding Zone 1 via Clapham North/Clapham High Street (or Balham), Clapham Junction and Shepherd’s Bush(zones 2-3)
Touch in at Tooting Broadway
Mon-Fri 0630-0930 and 1600-1900 £1.80
At all other times
including public holidays £1.60
As Mike says the contactless seems to refund it from £2.90 down to £1.80 depending on if you alight at Shepherds or White City. I may have misread. I’ll take it today and confirm. Or try to!
13/10/2021 at 17:34 #3559
- This reply was modified 11 months, 2 weeks ago by Mike (admin).
If you do make this trip with an Oyster card then I expect it will overcharge. The total should be adjusted by £1.10 overnight by the back-office. You’ll get this back when your total of adjustments exceeds £1.50 or two weeks later, whichever happens first.01/11/2021 at 19:48 #3598
I wish I had an update but the lack of trains from Balham (or at least trains that link up nicely with the overground service out of Clapham Junction) has made it impossible to try without being hideously late (or even worse, early) for work. Maybe when the trains get back to normal one day.03/11/2021 at 01:18 #3601
Don’t worry if its not convenient. Getting to work is far more important.08/11/2021 at 16:13 #3626Felix JohnsonParticipant
I notice that when looking this up on the fare finder provided by LTFares.com, Tooting Broadway to White City is priced using the tube (LU) mode for all possible journeys, while Tooting Broadway to Shepherds Bush NR includes the more expensive £2.90 peak “Avoiding Zone 1 via Balham and Clapham Junction” route, for which it lists the price mode as “national-rail”.09/11/2021 at 23:58 #3627
Yes, the tube or national-rail split identified in the fare data gives a hint as to the farescale being used, but it’s not really useful because there are several variations of each scale. Hence I don’t show it.29/11/2021 at 23:18 #3637
After a few weeks of travel I have discovered that is indeed £1.80 if one goes Tooting Broadway > Balham > Clapham Junction > Shepherds Bush > White City, as described in the first post. How exciting, and also obvious, but I guess I just didn’t believe it when it claimed bookending the journey with tubes (I could easily walk to Balham, and at the other end walk from Shepherds Bush) would actually make it cheaper. But it does. So there you go.01/12/2021 at 06:10 #3639
Thanks for the update. Unfortunately I think this is probably a database error which may get picked up in the future, but enjoy it while it lasts.
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