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Assume the following situation.
1. I travelled from the zones to somewhere outside, tapped inside the zones to enter the gate, and use a paper extension ticket for the remainder of the journey. It was in the evening peak so I could take advantage of my railcard discount.
2. I would like to travel from an ungated station outside my Travelcard zones back into the zones using PAYG as it has become off-peak.How do I start a new journey if the maximum journey time from 1 isn’t expired?
Personally, I suspect the answer to be one of:
a) tap on a bus and get off again before starting a new journey
b) you can’tTo be clear, I don’t know if a) works or not (or if there are London busses where you’re going) but it’s about the only thing you can do other than tap at a station which obviously won’t work.
Thanks Feathers, Hi Michael,
Yes to (a). If there is a TfL bus nearby then touching in on that will close the earlier rail journey. As you have a travelcard the bus won’t be charged.
Otherwise, if you touch a validator within the maximum journey time from the start of the open journey it will be treated as the end of that journey and charged accordingly.
So if the place I return is somewhere deep in zone 6 rural Surrey without any TfL bus service, is there no way to start a PAYG journey before the outward journey timed out and I had to buy another paper ticket to return?
No.
The system is not set up to support mixed ticket type travel.
It’s only the fact that a tap in/out is not required inside the travelcard validity zones that means your outward journey plan is workable. Personally, I think that’s a lucky byproduct of the current implementation rather than a deliberately supported feature.
(I guess I may be doing them a disservice and it might have been introduced deliberately like this to avoid having to change the system of boundary ticketing that was already in existence.)
As stated, the answer is sadly no. If you are returning from the same station you went to, would a railcard discounted return ticket not be cheaper than two singles?
What is the reason the same reader is used for in and out, unlike some other countries where different readers are used? This causes massive confusion when taps are missed / not registered, and creates a conflict point in passenger flow when exiting and entering passengers trying to touch the same readers.
This is not a technical problem as gates are already directional.
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