60+ & PAYG – Two cards needed?

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  • #808
    Edgware Bubbles
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    Hi Mike

    A big thank you for this site, it’s been a lifesaver over the years!

    My question is regarding the 60+ Photocard. Free travel is now only permitted after 9am on TFL, so I assume that I will need to carry two Oyster cards, my PAYG Oyster for my morning commute to work (before 9am) and my 60+ Oyster photocard for the evening journey home.

    Is this correct?

    #809
    Mike
    Moderator

    Yes, that’s right. You can’t put anything else on a 60+ Oyster so you’ll need a normal one for pre-9am travel.

    #810
    Edgware Bubbles
    Participant

    Thank you Mike, much appreciated.

    I’ll use the PAYE Oyster app on my ‘phone and tap in with the 60+ card keeping them separate.

    #811
    Mike
    Moderator

    I’m not sure if it’s the way I’m reading it or not, but that doesn’t quite read right.

    In the morning you’ll need to use either a normal blue Oyster card or a contactless payment card/device*. If it’s an Oyster card then you can top up via the app. Don’t touch in using the 60+ Oyster card in the morning.

    * Unless you have a disabled railcard which discounts peak fares you’ll be paying full price adult fares, so using contactless will charge the same fares.

    #813
    Edgware Bubbles
    Participant

    I’ll use my PAYG Oyster in the morning. I do indeed have a disabled railcard attached. That card is on the TFL Oyster app and uses NFC to touch in and out.

    For the evening journey home and weekends, I’ll use the physical 60+ Oyster photocard. Hope that makes more sense!

    #814
    Mike
    Moderator

    Yes, that does make sense now.

    I might even try experimenting with the NFC on my phone with the app, as it seems like I’m missing a trick.

    #816
    MATTHEW DICKINSON
    Participant

    I’m pretty sure the TfL Oyster app has no NFC functionality.

    Cubic have just started trialling an app based card in Sydney.

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    #817
    Edgware Bubbles
    Participant

    Yes you’re right Matthew. I’ll have to carry two Oyster cards, until nfc is incorporated into the tfl app. Thank you. What a faff!

    #819
    Martin Phillp
    Participant

    There has to be a point where railcards and B&T photocards can be linked into using contactless or Google/Apple Pay.

    It’d save a lot of faffing about every time trying to get my card added every time it needs renewing.

    #820
    Edgware Bubbles
    Participant

    Especially as most concession pass times have been curtailed. It’s more than likely they’ll not be re-introduced. This wasn’t an issue before the pandemic of course.

    #821
    Miles Thomas
    Participant

    I wonder if citymapper will get onto the case of making the two card shuffle simple using their app which can do NFC (with permission / engagement from TfL).

    Citymapper could also ask for permission for qualifying users of their pass card to have qualifying travel refunded to citymspper (their pass card is really just a contactless MasterCard and city mapper passes through some charged but not others depending on pass tier..from none/suspended through to multiple zones weekly plus bike/taxi)

    #822
    MATTHEW DICKINSON
    Participant

    I think any deal with Citymapper is very unlikely. The solution in the West Midlands is to add PAYG credit to the card.

    https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/swift/swift-for-you/concessionary-payg/

    #823
    Mike
    Moderator

    You can only begin to think about adding PAYG credit to either a 60+ Oyster or Freedom Pass when the times of operation are co-ordinated. Even with the am-peak restrictions because of the pandemic it is still 0900 for TfL services and 0930 for most NR services.

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