Future Nine Elms Station OSI?

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    Chris D.
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    Looking at the Battersea NLE, the link between Nine Elms and Kennington will* be extremely useful to me when connecting from South West NR services at Vauxhall. Currently I have to go via Stockwell, which is two extra stops and a change.

    Is it likely that that Vauxhall NR / Nine Elms LU will be added as an OSI from opening date? I guess the counterargument would be that it’s possibly a little far (800 metres) considering there are other reasonable on-network options.

    *Or it would if it weren’t going to be in Zone 1; in reality I probably won’t use it as I resent the NR1-T surcharge.

    #882
    Mike
    Moderator

    Hi Chris,

    I’m not aware of any potential OSIs with Nine Elms. Battersea and Battersea Park is likely.

    As for zone 1, it’s a nightmare. The developers who are part funding the extension demanded that it be in zone 1, but I’m fully expecting a new dual zoned sausage like the Stratford arrangement. Kennington to Elephant & Castle has to remain in zone 2. The problem of course is that 2 or 3 is the same fare in the Stratford area, whilst 1 or 2 is most definitely not.

    #884
    Chris D.
    Participant

    I recall reading somewhere that Kennington will become a Boundary Zone 1/2 (can’t find where now; the best I can turn up is an uncited claim on the List of stations in London fare zone 2 Wikipedia page.

    A Nine Elms to Vauxhall OSI is admittedly very niche; the walk means that Oval (and stations further south) will be equal or better sticking with Vauxhall LU and changing at Stockwell, and London Bridge (and stations further north) will be better with other options via Waterloo. But as someone who lives between Kennington and E&C and has tried every way conceivable of accessing SWR services from home (none of them particularly seamless), it would be a welcome addition for me 🙂

    #885
    Mike
    Moderator

    I’ve also heard that Kennington will be dual zoned, but as I said the problem is the Kennington to Elephant stretch. It’s the first time a journey will be possible along a boundary where the fares are different in each zone.

    #3290
    Chris D.
    Participant

    So I haven’t heard any rumours about Nine Elms to Vauxhall becoming be an OSI (which I can understand as it’s a slightly further walk, but it’s a shame as more SWR services call at Vauxhall), but Queenstown Road to BPS will be. This has the potential to be very useful to me as long as Battersea Power Station and Nine Elms are in Z1/2.

    I see TfL’s recent press releases claims the stations will be in Zone 1, but per Geoff Marshall’s video of a few months ago, I don’t see how that could work map-wise. The only arrangement I can see that would work is putting them both in Z1/2:

    Mock-up of R&T Dual-Zone configuration

    (It would also be true to say the stations were Zone 1 stations if they were actually in 1/2, so I am remaining optimistic!).

    #3291
    Mike
    Moderator

    Hi Chris,

    Nice map … except the extension is going the wrong way.

    The zoning issue is going to be a nightmare locally on the ground. You could come out of Sainsbury’s and pop next door to zone 1 Nine Elms station, or walk half a mile towards central London and board southbound trains from Vauxhall in zone 2. I think it’s likely that the stations will start in zone 1, but I wouldn’t bet against them becoming zone 1/2 in the future.

    As for the map, the only way it will work sensibly is to put the extension over the top of Vauxhall. There are other places where stations are not in the correct place on the current map (eg the two Bethnal Green stations). The dotted link to the pier from Vauxhall will have to cross the extension line, but that’s probably the least worst side effect. Alternatively they could just lose the dotted line and put the boat symbol by the station name as they do at London Bridge.

    #3293
    Chris D.
    Participant

    Ah of course, the NLE could then be depicted to cross the SWR line between Vauxhall and Waterloo, rather than between Queenstown Road and Vauxhall. I don’t think Geoff considered that in his video on the R&T map (I recall the suggestion to move Vauxhall down in the tube map, but the R&T map was implied to be insurmountable!).

    I don’t see Nine Elms station getting much use anyway – if coming from the West, it’s quicker (and may also be cheaper) to use Vauxhall, and from the South similarly Vauxhall or Stockwell. Then again I think most people don’t care what fare they are charged, eg all the people at my work who get the train to Waterloo and then connect on the Jubilee line to London Bridge(!)

    #3298
    Mike
    Moderator

    Then again I think most people don’t care what fare they are charged, eg all the people at my work who get the train to Waterloo and then connect on the Jubilee line to London Bridge(!)

    Well if they have a travelcard then it doesn’t matter, but if their using PAYG then perhaps they should be educated.

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