18/03/2021 at 14:53 #853SimonasParticipant
I have a question about the Hopper fare in London, not sure how exactly it works:
It is said that you can make unlimited bus & tram travel within 60 minutes, however, it is not clear to me if this 60 minute time period is for your overall journey (all legs included) or it is rather a time given for you to make all your transfers – i.e. if you make a transfer from bus to tram at the 59th minute from touching the card, are you still able to go to the very last stop of that last tram (e.g. going for 25 minutes more) with the same ticket?
Thanks in advance for your help!
18/03/2021 at 15:34 #855MikeModerator
- This topic was modified 2 months, 4 weeks ago by Simonas.
It is all touch ins within an hour of the first (charging) touch in. Once touched in you can travel as far as you like because there is no touch out required on buses or trams. The special touch out at Wimbledon doesn’t do anything except open the gates.05/04/2021 at 16:33 #872zeroParticipant
If you arrived at Wimbledon 3 hours after touching in at a tram stop, I presume it would not just let you out but charge a maximum tube/train fare?
Is there a tram maximum journey time and is this publicly advertised anywhere?
A few years ago I was on a bus that was severely delayed in traffic. 2.5 hours after leaving Hammersmith some RPIs boarded and started checking tickets, but many passengers’ cards were coming up as invalid as they had been on since near the beginning (don’t know why the driver didn’t say anything, but the RPIs gave up and left once they got to someone who spoke sufficient English to explain!) So I believe there is a bus maximum journey time.05/04/2021 at 21:37 #875MikeModerator
Arrival at Wimbledom 62 minutes after touching in for a tram will trigger an incomplete rail journey. As no end to end tram journey takes more than an hour, I believe that this is effectively a maximum journey time for trams. I’m not aware that it’s publicised anywhere, but if you’re still on a tram after that much time then it would be difficult to claim that you were acting legally unless there had been serious disruption.
As for buses, I didn’t think there was a maximum journey time. When the RPI boards the bus they log in to the bus reader and download the cards that have touched in during that journey. Only those cards will pass the inspection. This may explain why the driver didn’t say anything. It does appear that there may be a maximum to cover the eventuality that the bus doesn’t properly clear it’s database at the end of the journey. I’ll have to make some enquiries about this. Certainly 2.5 hours would seem to be enough for an end to end journey in all but the most extreme cases.
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