Lack of Monument to Liverpool Street OSI

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  • #233
    Michael
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    Hi,
    I was recently caught out at Bank/Monument, having arrived on the DLR, when changing to the Overground at Liverpool Street. I was will aware of the Bank/Liverpool Street OSI, but through absent-mindedness combined with the aesthetic changes due to current engineering work I exited through the Monument gateline. To my great surprise there is no associated OSI from Monument to Liverpool Street. Checking your excellent website confirmed this. Would you be aware whether there is any published reason for not establishing a Monument to Liverpool Street OSI? Thanks, Michael.

    #235
    Mike (admin)
    Keymaster

    Hi Michael,

    Looking at the map I’d say that the extra distance is the reason why there is no OSI. Plus there are Circle line trains between the two stations as well.

    #237
    Michael
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    Thanks for your reply. I think it will need to go down as one of the mysteries of TfL. There are of course direct trains from Bank to Liverpool Street too, and the walking distance is only a tad longer (arguably simpler) and well within the distance of the farthest OSIs. DLR is quite a specific case as the exit is equally easy (awkward) to both gatelines. Having thought about it some more, the lack of a Monument/Liverpool Street OSI could well just boil down to the active OSI being for the benefit of Waterloo&City line passengers. The official rationale will have to remain a mystery.

    #239
    Mike (admin)
    Keymaster

    Hi Michael,

    My comment about the direct trains was more that at Monument you are only expected to want the Circle/District line trains and you could pick the Circle line up from Liverpool Street. With Bank you have the Northern line, as well as the DLR and Waterloo and City (when it reopens).

    Bank/Monument is a bit of an anomaly given that it really is just one station. I can’t see either being renamed as the historical importance of the associated buildings is just too great. I’m also told that there is a limit as to the number of interchanges that can be catered for in the system, and adding every Bank OSI to Monument as well might be too much.

    #241
    Chris D.
    Participant

    The lack of Cannon Street to Monument is another one where the distance argument doesn’t apply. Of course the distance is slightly greater when factoring in the internal walk from Monument to Central/Northern trains.

    #242
    Michael
    Participant

    An interesting point. I note that the Cannon Street/Bank OSI now takes account of the much shorter distance between the two due to the opening of the Bloomberg entrance, which removes the main reason for entering via Monument.

    I suppose the key difference between these examples now is that whereas Cannon Street/Monument are adjacent and have frequent service, Monument and Liverpool Street are separated and connected only by the vagaries of the Circle line.

    #286
    Si Hollett
    Participant

    I presume the Bank-Liverpool Street OSI is due to historic Network South East fares having a Waterloo-Liverpool Street routing that avoided the tube by walking from the BR station at Bank to Liverpool Street. The Marylebone NR-Paddington NR OSI seems to exist for similar reasons.

    Because Monument is the opposite end of the station from the Waterloo & City line, presumably that is why Monument-Liverpool Street is not done. However, one should note that the similar Bank-Fenchurch Street OSI works at Monument despite the Circle and District providing journeys to the much-closer Tower Hill where the change to c2c can be made (and much more frequently than to Liverpool St).

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