20/01/2023 at 12:25 #4525
My daughter has just started at a company in Chiswick and is travelling from windsor central, changing at Slough to take the Elizabeth line to Ealing Broadway where she changes ti the district line to Chiswick Park
She’s confused about the different yellow/pink tap points and has had a couple of issues with overcharges.
She buys a ticket to Ealing Broadway with 16-25 railcard £12 return. Assumes the tube is separate. Windsor central has no gate/tap point and when she gets to slough there is no gate (as she’s already ‘in’ the station) So when she gets off at Ealing Broadway she hasn’t tapped anything yet. So should she just go yellow for tap in and same for exit at Chiswick? Or is it an interchange and she should use pink?
Total cost I think – £12 from windsor to EB, £3.60 for two singles to Chiswick Park and back – £15.60
Secondly if she used contactless which they have at slough (not oyster), would that be cheaper due to the Elizabeth line being in the TfL fare cap? I don’t know how the system would know if you used an EL train rather than GWR but if it saves money I don’t care. In that case, does the Ealing Broadway interchange behaviour change?
Thanks for your patience and help 🙂20/01/2023 at 13:01 #4526meglosParticipant
I’m assuming that your daughter is leaving Windsor before 09:00? In which case there is no saving using an 18-25 railcard.
In that case a return ticket to Slough is £4.20 a day, although this can be reduced to £2.84 per day (5 day week) if she buys a weekly season ticket from Windsor to Slough (£2.52 per day for a monthly season).
At Slough use contactless to tap the Yellow validator, and then at Ealing Broadway tap the Pink validator. When she gets to Chiswick Park she will have been charged £7.10 when she taps out.
For the return she should do the reverse making sure she taps the pink validator at Ealing Broadway, and the yellow validator at Slough. As this is outside of the peak period (06:30 to 09:30), this will be charged at £3.70.
So £4.20 + £7.10 + £3.70 equals £15.0020/01/2023 at 13:43 #4527
she’s definitely getting a return to ealing for £12 (reduced from £16,80) online. so overall I think she’s paying £15.60 daily
I don’t know how you do it – I tried various combinations but finally found it – trainline and GWR don’t show it and had to use the single fare finder.
Fantastic – thanks for your help. Probably get a weekly season ticket for windsor then contactless Y-P-Y which makes it easier on the admin too
20/01/2023 at 16:44 #4529
- This reply was modified 8 months ago by MrKlaw.
Can you confirm the times of travel in each direction?
I need to correct some errors above. Travel between Chiswick Park and Slough is subject to an evening peak between 1600-1900. The confusion is because it is off-peak the other way. The 16-25 railcard is valid at any time, but there is a £12.00 minimum fare when used before 10am. You can use contactless at Windsor and Eton Central. The touch pads are at the end of the platform in the shoppping area. There is a sign by the side entrance next to where the trains stop pointing you in that direction.
The contactless fares are valid on either EL or GWR, but they are adult only, no railcard allowed.
There is supposed to be a return ticket from Windsor and Eton Central to London Underground zone 3 for £13.45 with railcard discount, but I can’t get any websites to sell it. I’ve asked for assistance from a contact. If there is a ticket office at Windsor then they might know how to sell it, or alternatively the ticket office at Slough may be able to help. I think that is the cheapest way to do things.
If we can’t get that fare to be sold then your daughter is already doing the next best thing. Use the paper ticket from Windsor to Ealing Broadway and contactless for the tube. She needs to touch out by exiting the gateline at Ealing Broadway before using her ticket to get back in on the way home. In the morning she can use the pink readers because they will start a PAYG journey, they just won’t end one.
The start time of each journey would still be useful, especially if it can be outside the two peak periods of 0630-0930 and 1600-1900. That is, might she start early or finish late to be able to use off-peak fares.20/01/2023 at 17:05 #4530
She gets the 8am train from windsor and around 8:15 from slough to Ealing Broadway. Return she’d be at Chiswick Park around 17:45 heading back
TfL single fare checker suggests the same dates as mentioned above – £7.10 and £3.70 but I guess from your comment the return would also be 7.10?
20/01/2023 at 17:19 #4532
- This reply was modified 8 months ago by MrKlaw.
Yes, both ways would be £7.10. If you use the fare finder on this site it has the useful addition of a button to click to show the fares for the reverse direction. The peak times are not always the same each way.
Those times are pretty much in the middle of the peak periods so I can’t see any way to make a saving. I’ll hopefully hear back next week about the through fare and if it can be sold. It’s one of those oddities which is in the fare system but named underground stations are a bit of a problem.20/01/2023 at 18:07 #4533Alan (28481k)Participant
Alternatively, MrKlaw, if your daughter commits to commute five days a week (a pretty tall order these days!), then a monthly seasons ticket between Windsor & Eton Central and Zones 3-6 Travelcard would cost £300 and this would be marginally cheaper than the £12 from windsor to EB and £3.60 for two singles to Chiswick Park and back costing £15.60, even working 4 days a week would remove the savings.
A zone 3-6 Travelcard carried on GWR Touch smartcard is NOT useful for any rail trips outside the zones (including crossing zone 1 or 2) because you can’t add London PAYG facility on Touch smartcard. OTOH it should be useful for bus journeys since any Travelcard is valid on all London buses.20/01/2023 at 18:12 #4534
Thanks all – the through fare sounds interesting if possible
If she’s doing the Ealing-Chiswick park as a discrete tube journey can she get an Oyster card and use that with the 16-25 railcard or is there a peak time block in that too? Might save £1.20 a day20/01/2023 at 18:15 #4535Alan (28481k)Participant
Oyster railcard discount is only available on Off-peak times, so getting an Oyster means she pays £1.05 outside the peak time block BUT NO DIFFERENCE FOR her normal times of travel.
20/01/2023 at 18:16 #4537
- This reply was modified 8 months ago by Alan (28481k).
You don’t get railcard discounts on single fares in the peak periods (unless it’s a disabled railcard).
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