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That’s very interesting indeed. It’s clearly something to do with TOC smartcards because an Oyster or contactless bank card will never show exit.
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No. Only incomplete journeys are outside of caps. Any normal journeys will always count towards applicable caps, unless the journey is always outside of capping like Heathrow Express.13/07/2021 at 22:57 in reply to: Moorgate and Liverpool Street combined station and OSIs #1092
I’m sure there will be threads and articles when it becomes clear how the Elizabeth line is going to work in respect of interchanges with two tube stations connected to one EL station.
It’s important to distinguish between OSIs with NR stations compared to LU stations. The Liverpool Street to Bank OSI is only with Liverpool Street NR and is intended for people using the Northern line at Bank and National Rail at Liverpool Street. The same can be said about the Embankment OSIs (District/Circle to National Rail) and the Marylebone (NR) to Baker Street for Circle, Ham & City and Jubilee lines.
The big difference with Moorgate is that there is only one station. National Rail comes in to the Underground station and indeed the NR and Northern lines are above one another. This is why I can’t see an OSI between Moorgate and Bank.
Avoiding zone 1 is the default route so there’s no need to touch the pink reader. It won’t affect the fare if you do though.13/07/2021 at 16:11 in reply to: Moorgate and Liverpool Street combined station and OSIs #1087
Thanks for those observations, Adam.
Long term I think Moorgate to Bank is unlikely to be an OSI as it’s one stop on th Northern line. While Liverpool Street NR to Bank is an OSI, it doesn’t work to the Monument entrance. There may be some temporary stuff put in while the Bank branch of the Northern line is curtailed.08/07/2021 at 15:42 in reply to: Fares SE terminals to GN/TL stations on fare finder #1066
This is part of quite a big problem. There appear to be actual fares for just about every journey, no matter how illogical. For some reason they don’t all appear on the fare finder. It’s an issue I’m discussing with TfL at the moment.
Right, that’s interesting.
Firstly, Kerry: National Rail smartcards which contain a travelcard allow travel within the zones without a separate Oyster card. I didn’t realise that they also provided journey history, which is good to know. The GTR version of the Key also allows PAYG travel on GTR services AFAIK, though I’m not sure how that is worked. If they rely on a data feed from TfL there might be issues.
Y’ossi: Given that you have a travelcard covering all of zones 1-6 I think touching pink readers is a little superfluous. If you truly were ending a journey at a station with one you’d need to exit via a gate. The issue we usually get is where a person has a ticket from say Brighton to Clapham Junction and wants to go onwards using Oyster PAYG without leaving the station. I have never seen a pink reader display Exit so I’m slightly skeptical that one would. Usually they display valid for interchange if using Oyster and touched in, or Enter if not touched in. With contactless they just say card accepted. I will follow this up though, so thank you for bringing it to my attention.
Can you expand on this, please. Are you effectively using a travelcard stored on a National Rail smart card? I’d be interested to see actual journey history if possible.01/07/2021 at 00:16 in reply to: TfL Rail and London Overground ticket offices to lose Oyster facilities #1045
In answer to question 1, it won’t retrospectively discount the initial journey, but it will lower the off-peak cap for that day which the initial journey will count towards as long as it started after 0930.
As for question 2, it depends. As far as I know railcards do not actually have a start date. I also don’t know how quickly they’ll send out the railcard. If it’s a 1-year railcard then I’d get the discount added when you first travel to somewhere that can do it. If it’s a 3-year railcard there is another annoying consideration. The TfL system will allow the expiry date to be exactly 3 years from the date the discount is added, but railcards issued by post have an extra 5 days added to account for a slow postal delivery. If you take the railcard to be added on the day you receive it the system won’t allow them to put in the real expiry date. What they usually do is record the expiry as two years hence, then you have to get that updated at some point after the extra days have finished.
Not many people are. It’s a prime example of no co-operation between LU and TOC. It should improve when gates are added to the NR main entrance, eventually.
Yes, that looks like a good plan, particularly if you plan to make other trips at weekends etc. Travel beyond zone 3 would come from PAYG as you say, and yes you can add a railcard, or get the gold card discount applied to reduce those off-peak fares.
You might also want to check out a cheaper option. Clapham High Street – Denmark Hill – Lewisham – Woolwich Dockyard only takes 45-55 minutes but means you only need zones 2-3 for your travelcard.
The validators in the subway belong to the Underground station so it should work.
They’re not quite right about the notional fare always being cheaper though.
That’s a very interesting admission. Can you let me know what your journey is?
That’s an interesting response. Let us know what happens.07/06/2021 at 13:12 in reply to: Feltham to Cheshunt with oyster 60+ using Greater Anglia #1009
I’d double check that assertion before travel though. The London Rail and Tube Map shows a limited service on GA via Seven Sisters.07/06/2021 at 12:42 in reply to: TfL Rail and London Overground ticket offices to lose Oyster facilities #1007
A sad day. I’ll see if I can get some more info.07/06/2021 at 02:42 in reply to: Feltham to Cheshunt with oyster 60+ using Greater Anglia #1005
If you must use Greater Anglia to get to Cheshunt then you’ll need an off-peak day return from Boundary zone 6 to Cheshunt which is £4.90. It can be purchased from any station ticket office, plus ticket machines if they offer tickets from another station.
If you can restrict yourself to London Overground trains to Cheshunt then your 60+ Oyster card is valid all the way.
Has it got auto topup set? If yes, then it’s likely that collection of the last topup failed from your bank. Otherwise the most likely reason is a card or reader fault.
Pink Validators are my biggest annoyance. The official line is that you can’t start or end a journey using one. The reality is that if you touch one and you aren’t in the system then it will start a journey at that point. There is absolutely no way that a pink validator can end a journey though.
What I will say is that there is a yellow validator on platforms 9/10 at Stratford near the London end.
PS. Your favourite topic has recently resurfaced in respect of Kennington and I may just be about to document it.
No, you’re not missing anything. Adding a railcard discount to a 60+ Oyster is pointless.
You will need to buy a normal adult Oyster and get the railcard discount added to that.
As a final note, whilst brfares.com is brilliant for finding fares for the National Rail network, the Oyster and CPAY fare info is not always correct. This is not the fault of brfares. There is no direct link between the data used by brfares and the TfL database which means that the fares can sometimes be wrong. There are also a lot of missing fares.
Yes you will, as long as you touch in and out each time.
I haven’t used an Oyster card which generates statements for a while, but I’ve just tried to set my current card up and the stupid website kept chucking me off.
It depends. If the touch in is at a gate then it will be fine. If the touch in is at another validator then it may be treated as an exit. If the whole journey you eventually make is covered by your travelcard then there won’t be an issue. If travelling beyond the zones covered and both starting stations have validators and are within the zones covered by a travelcard then it might be safer to touch in on a bus (and get straight off). This will ensure that the second touch in is treated as a touch in and buses are always free with any travelcard.
Immediate same station exit doesn’t work at validators, only gates. With validators you need to wait until 2 minutes has passed at which point the cheapest single fare from that station will be charged. However, if the station is within the zones covered by your travelcard then there is no penalty for not touching out, you can just leave the touch in there. Finally, if the reason for not travelling was disruption or no service then the helpdesk will refund the entry charge if one had been made.