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Michael Tsang
ParticipantI suspect there is a mispricing here again.
The £3.9 fare is supposed to be “Travelling on London Underground and National Rail changing at Waterloo and Richmond (or Victoria, Clapham Junction and Richmond)” but in the Oyster system, I think that the Blackfriars OSI and other London Terminals OSI (except Vauxhall, E&C or Battersea) use the same code on the card. As a result, it is indistinguishable with a Waterloo interchange from the card.
Please complain to TfL and request a refund.
Michael Tsang
ParticipantI suspect there is a mispricing. The mistake is that they used the Witham – London fare + zone 1-2 to construct the fare to Canary Wharf (Underground), but Witham – Stratford fare + zone 2 fare to construct the fare to Canary Wharf (Elizabeth line).
18/02/2026 at 17:23 in reply to: Willesden Green – Hackney Central / London Fields during the year end #8679Michael Tsang
ParticipantI have now got the numbers I want in FOI-4165-2526:
For cards affected by the Zone 1 charge:
On a diversion weekend:
No journeys between the stops on the diversionary route and the eastern section of the Mildmay line with a pink touch at Willesden Junction;
3233 journeys between the stops on the diversionary route and the eastern section of the Mildmay line without a pink touch at Willesden Junction (the journeys which I consider being overcharged).On a normal weekend:
8 journeys between the stops on the diversionary route and the eastern section of the Mildmay line with a pink touch at Willesden Junction (the intended use of the pink reader fare);
196 journeys between the stops on the diversionary route and the eastern section of the Mildmay line without a pink touch at Willesden Junction (for which travel via Zone 1 is assumed);
6792 journeys between the stops on the normal route and the eastern section of the Mildmay line.The above number clearly shows that, when the diversion is not in place, the amount of journeys taken between the stops on the diversionary route and the eastern section of Mildmay line is only a tiny fraction compared to when the diversionary route is active. In contrast, the diversionary route still carries half of the normal traffic, which can now totally justify the recent enhancement of the diversionary service to 4 tph (which used to be 2 tph), compared to 8 tph on the normal route. It also means that half of the normal Mildmay line traffic is now overcharged due to the diversion, 16 times of the number of Zone 1 journeys on a normal weekend whose revenue needs to be protected. As these journeys are rarely made without the diversion, but with significant traffic when the diversion is active, the revenue protection need, as such, is clearly disproportionate to the detriment of normal Zone 2 only passengers who are forced to use the Zone 2 only diversionary route and getting overcharged because the normal route is closed.
For journeys involving Swiss Cottage / South Hampstead:
On a diversion weekend, there were 280 journeys where a pair of touches were made between the stations within 20 minutes, while on a normal weekend, there were just 89, which means that this signposted “fake-OSI” serves a real interchange function between the diversionary Mildmay line route and the Jubilee line, fulfilled by West Hampstead under normal circumstances, penalising passengers again due to the diversion.I will write to my MP soon about this matter as I live in the affected area, using all of the stations between Willesden Junction and Gospel Oak regularly.
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Michael Tsang.
11/02/2026 at 11:06 in reply to: TfL will increase tube fares again by an inflation-busting amount outside Z1. #8670Michael Tsang
Participanthttps://www.london.gov.uk/md3464-march-2026-transport-london-fare-changes
The new fares are here.
Travelcard prices and fare caps are frozen because they follow National Rail fare policy.
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Michael Tsang.
Michael Tsang
ParticipantUnfortunately that FOI cannot be processed because the Oyster data is only retained for 8 weeks, so it is not possible to provide the data for a whole year.
I have just made another FOI which focuses on two specific weekends in January 2026, one with the diversion and one with normal service, which asks for count
– on the diversion route without a touch at Willesden Junction on a diversion day
– on the diversion route with a touch at Willesden Junction on a diversion day
– on the diversion route without a touch at Willesden Junction on a normal day
– on the diversion route with a touch at Willesden Junction on a normal day
– on the normal route on a normal day
– entries at South Hampstead after exit at Swiss Cottage (or vice versa) on a diversion day
– entries at South Hampstead after exit at Swiss Cottage (or vice versa) on a normal day30/01/2026 at 17:21 in reply to: Willesden Green – Hackney Central / London Fields during the year end #8646Michael Tsang
ParticipantI have received the reply of my enquiry and TL;DR it is not going to do anything and tell me to phone up for a refund.
Thank you for your web form of 3 January about fares in relation to Mildmay diversions through Queen’s Park.
Firstly, I am genuinely sorry if you have been inconvenienced on your journeys when a Mildmay line diversion has been in place.
Quite simply, and having spoken to a colleague of mine with many years of experience on fares, whilst we thank you for (and note) your suggestion, it will not be possible to make the fare adjustments you request. I know you state that Mildmay line diversions will become more commonplace, but, at the time of writing, I cannot find any information that this will be the case.
My advice to you, when there is a rare Mildmay line diversion and you believe you have paid a fare amount higher than it should be, is to make a journey refund claim. From looking at your account, I can see that you are familiar with calling us up and lodging a refund claim with telephony agents.
Thanks again for contacting us. If there is anything else we can help you with, please reply to this email. Alternatively, you can call us on 0343 222 1234 and we’ll be happy to help you.
I plan to escalate this matter. TfL has the ability to activate emergency OSIs on a temporary basis which can be a short term solution to the South Hampstead interchange before they bother to fix the fares, while the direct train problem will require a fare update cycle to fix.
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Michael Tsang.
04/01/2026 at 23:38 in reply to: Willesden Green – Hackney Central / London Fields during the year end #8623Michael Tsang
ParticipantI travelled a round trip on this route today and a total of £5.90 was deducted from my Oyster card with National Railcard discount (£1.30 + £1.90 + £1.90 + £0.80).
I’ll write a complaint to TfL with the web form, as the in-car diagram and announcement on the Mildmay line train when approaching South Hampstead confirm that these stations are now an official pair of interchange stations.
03/01/2026 at 21:25 in reply to: Willesden Green – Hackney Central / London Fields during the year end #8616Michael Tsang
ParticipantI’ll also follow up this matter with an FOI in February to ask how many people do this South Hampstead / Swiss Cottage interchange within 20 minutes on the diversion days, compared to normal days.
A previous FOI was posted on the issue of overcharging on direct trains but it was beyond the 8-week limit for the Oyster data to be retained, and now there are enough diversion days within an 8-week window for this matter to be seriously investigated.
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Michael Tsang.
03/01/2026 at 20:46 in reply to: Willesden Green – Hackney Central / London Fields during the year end #8615Michael Tsang
ParticipantSince the Overground line renaming all the official materials have shown South Hampstead / Swiss Cottage as an interchange inside both Lioness line and Jubilee line trains, and after this week long diversion, there are still three weekends in the coming two months where this diversionary route is used.
An unusual London Overground trip is possible during Betwixmas
30/12/2025 at 10:15 in reply to: Willesden Green – Hackney Central / London Fields during the year end #8612Michael Tsang
ParticipantIf things aren’t fixed by TfL I am planning to raise this matter to London Travelwatch and possibly my MP as it is clearly an important issue for my area.
This diversionary route has become much more important over the last few years and has been used much more frequently, from just a few weekend a year with 30-minute frequency to now a whole week with 15-minute frequency.
Swiss Cottage / South Hampstead serves the exact same function as West Hampstead when the Mildmay line is diverted.
29/12/2025 at 15:30 in reply to: Willesden Green – Hackney Central / London Fields during the year end #8609Michael Tsang
ParticipantThe Lioness line diagram and announcement now officially shows South Hampstead / Swiss Cottage as an interchange.
I plan to try this interchange once this week and, if it results in two fares, I’ll make a complaint to TfL using this diagram as evidence.
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Michael Tsang.
12/11/2025 at 18:49 in reply to: How can I break my journey at Oxford Circus without waiting 10 minutes? #8519Michael Tsang
ParticipantUnfortunately it resulted in a pair of incomplete journey charge, because the time between the entry at Hackney and the exit at Willesden Green exceeded the maximum journey time, as the result of joining.
There are two concourses at Oxford Circus. One for exits 1-4 which are entry only, the other for exits 5-8 which are exit only, that meant I must exit at the concourse for exits 5-8 and enter at the other concourse.
03/11/2025 at 15:52 in reply to: Oyster overcharge – HHY standalone validator started a new journey #8510Michael Tsang
ParticipantI tried the reverse journey (touched the platform reader after alighting a Great Northern train, changed at West Hampstead and exited at Willesden Green) the past weekend and there was no problem.
Michael Tsang
ParticipantA refund has been given after I contacted the customer service.
I’ll use two cards if I plan to do such journeys in the future.
Michael Tsang
ParticipantSunday, 05 October 2025 £9.00 daily total
21:29 – 21:40 West Hampstead Thameslink [National Rail] to Willesden Green £1.90 £14.85
21:40 Touch out, Willesden Green +£2.75 £14.85
21:32 Touch in, West Hampstead [London Underground] £0.00 £12.10
21:29 Touch out, West Hampstead Thameslink [National Rail] £0.00 £12.10
21:29 Touch in, West Hampstead Thameslink [National Rail] £4.65 £12.10
20:28 – 21:29 Gatwick Airport to West Hampstead Thameslink [National Rail] £7.10 £16.75
21:29 Touch out, West Hampstead Thameslink [National Rail] +£1.85 £16.75
20:28 Touch in, Gatwick Airport £8.95 £14.90
20:28 Oyster helpline refund, Gatwick Airport +£9.30 £23.85Michael Tsang
ParticipantThis reason is I avoided breaking the OSI by means of tapping in and out at the Underground station, because the tap in at the Underground station would reopen the journey rather than starting a new one, and when I tapped out the fare would be adjusted to the fare from Gatwick to West Hampstead (Underground).
However, this record looks like the existence of OSI overruled the fact that a same station exit between 0-2 minutes is cancelled within 45 minutes, which can prove problematic if one accidentally enters the wrong station among a set of OSIs to start his journey.
I also tried entering a station before 09:30, realised that it was too early and exited immediately (where a peak maximum fare was charged) and re-entered after 09:30, and the correct off-peak fare was finally deducted.
I would have used KeyGo for the Thameslink leg if I knew I would travel this route to prevent problems, but unfortunately I was trying to catch a Southern train for Clapham Junction (for Kensal Rise, where a through Oyster fare was cheapest) and the train door was closed in front of me.
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Michael Tsang.
Michael Tsang
ParticipantI think you can buy Elstree & Borehamwood +Bus with a Travelcard issued by National Rail which has Elstree & Borehamwood printed as the origin (Elstree & Borehamwood – London Zones 1-6), to satisfy the requirement that the station must be printed on the rail ticket.
Michael Tsang
ParticipantYou can’t buy PlusBus with Oyster. However, KeyGo supports PlusBus fare at Gatwick Airport and charges the equivalent of an Oyster fare for your train journey.
Michael Tsang
ParticipantThe records suggested that there was a wrong extension fare set at £4.15 between Zone 2 and Leighton Buzzard, from the following observations:
The return journey was charged at £4.15
The outbound journey was capped
When £4.15 was taken off the outbound journey, the result was a Zone 1-2 cap at £8.90So the system charged a Zone 1-2 cap and the extension fare both way.
Michael Tsang
ParticipantThere was no overcharge as the default fare for my journey (Heathrow Terminal 2 & 3 to North Acton) did not involve zone 1.
Michael Tsang
ParticipantThe London bound EL platform was closed on the day I travelled because of engineering works. The readers on the Underground platforms were yellow.
Michael Tsang
ParticipantSome (but not all) are used in the National Rail timetable and also ticket retailing systems, like ZEL for Elephant & Castle (Underground) and ZCM for Chesham.
Michael Tsang
ParticipantThe route via Paddington does not involve an OSI at Paddington, as the Circle line station is in the same paid area as the Elizabeth line station.
I expect TfL will fix this once they are notified about this loophole.
10/03/2025 at 14:40 in reply to: TfL refused service delay refund when Weaver line was fully suspended #8108Michael Tsang
ParticipantDoes anyone have documentation about how it actually works? Can I only get a service delay refund if I stick to the original route no matter how long the delay is, even if the service is totally suspended? The reason that the helpline told me that I was not eligible was because I didn’t travel on the Weaver line.
Unfortunately I can’t rely on the right of NRCoT because the delay caused to my journey due to the service suspension was below an hour.
10/03/2025 at 14:36 in reply to: Oyster overcharge – HHY standalone validator started a new journey #8106Michael Tsang
ParticipantI will wait 48 hours and contact TfL if the issue is not resolved automatically.
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