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I also can’t speak to Google Pay, but Apple Pay is capable of authorising a transaction on public transport only even when the phone has no signal and is out of power. With Apple this is a feature called “Express Travel” and needs to be turned on; I wonder if there is something similar on Android?
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In addition, even if you weren’t inspected by a revenue block, you wouldn’t escape the fact that your journeys wouldn’t be symmetrical. TfL has sophisticated reporting platforms to look for precisely the kind of anomaly you are suggesting and you would eventually find yourself being targeted. As others say there are likely to be other (legal) ways to save money if you describe your journey in more detail!22/12/2020 at 00:04 in reply to: City Thameslink-St Pauls and Manor House-Harringay Green Lanes #299
I do think TfL needs to decide what the dotted lines mean. “Walkable and has an OSI” is one definition, but equally it might be useful to someone to know a destination station is near another so they can use a more convenient route. For example, Battersea Park and Queenstown Road Battersea – there are no rational interchanges anyone would want to make but it could be useful for journey planning purposes to know of the proximity.21/12/2020 at 23:47 in reply to: Southwark/Waterloo East/Waterloo OSI = NR1-T fare? #298
Interesting! Looks like the same applies for Bermondsey to Charing Cross NR, which I did a while back, but the NR1-T guess was correct there. Obviously solution would be to add a route from Southwark to Waterloo East at Z1 TfL-LU but I guess that could cause different problems.18/12/2020 at 09:48 in reply to: City Thameslink-St Pauls and Manor House-Harringay Green Lanes #291
Also Swiss Cottage / South Hampstead.
City Thameslink / St Paul’s is the only dotted line without an OSI in Zone 1 though, and is soon to be also displayed on the Tube Map. Adding that is becoming urgent in my view, tourists and visitors will use it.02/12/2020 at 00:31 in reply to: TfL Funding Package 1/11/2020 (kids free bus fares safe) #269
I think the 10:00 pm end time is quite harsh. As an example, a friend of mine who lives and works outside Central London used to drive in after work to meet up and go to the theatre. His home and his work are not well connected by public transport, and there isn’t realistically enough time to drive home and then get public transport into London. What will obviously happen is driving to the congestion charge boundary and connecting on public transport, which I suppose is £4.80 TfL wouldn’t have seen otherwise. But the inconvenience will also reduce journeys into Central London with the economy being the loser.
If an evening and weekend extension has to happen, it would arguably be prudent to have a peak and off peak rate for the congestion charge. An evening and weekend rate of £5 tallies nicely with the Zone 2-1 return fare they would otherwise see, and people with a choice would probably use public transport to avoid fuel and parking fees on top of that.
Incidentally (and I don’t think I’ve encountered a route where this applies yet since the concession at E&C was fixed), what happens when touching on a pink reader to invoke a zone 2 journey (from a zone 1 default) during the afternoon peak?
E.g. Stratford to E&C NR via Whitechapel and Peckham Rye: without a pink reader this would be charged at £1.60. Is a pink reader touch ignored and the fare kept at £1.60, or would you be charged £2.40?
And if charged more, does that create an obligation to touch the pink reader..! 🙂
Another minor moan:
- E&C NR to Elverson Road via Lewisham NR – charged as Zone 1-2 even with the OSI touch. I could actually accept the argument that E&C to Lewisham NR is marginally more likely via Z1 (I’d say it’s about equal), but that on its own is Z2.
And ones already mentioned but useful to collate:
23/11/2020 at 19:26 in reply to: Why can’t railcard holders resolve incomplete journeys online? #254
- E&C NR to Imperial Wharf via Clapham Junction – charged as Zone 1-2 even with the pink reader touch at Clapham Junction. Frankly it should be Zone 2 only even without a pink reader touch, there is no other credible route with no intermediate touches. The ‘via Vauxhall’ fare is even stranger.
- E&C NR to Surrey Quays – charged as Zone 1-2 even though there were no OSIs implicating Zone 1.
Thanks. I can understand all sorts of incomplete journeys being unresolvable, especially those missing touch-ins or that need a second journey addressed due to an OSI not applying. But I’ve had to call for every type of issue including basic ones (some of them not my fault!). I certainly don’t understand why there’s a blanket stop on Railcard refunds.
At my home station I have forgotten a couple of times when dealing with the ticket office/TVM for something. Then I don’t pass any readers on the way to the platform and out of sight is out of mind. I’d much prefer readers at platform level but understand why that doesn’t happen as a rule.
The lack of Cannon Street to Monument is another one where the distance argument doesn’t apply. Of course the distance is slightly greater when factoring in the internal walk from Monument to Central/Northern trains.