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Hi Kevin,
Yes, that looks like a good plan, particularly if you plan to make other trips at weekends etc. Travel beyond zone 3 would come from PAYG as you say, and yes you can add a railcard, or get the gold card discount applied to reduce those off-peak fares.
You might also want to check out a cheaper option. Clapham High Street – Denmark Hill – Lewisham – Woolwich Dockyard only takes 45-55 minutes but means you only need zones 2-3 for your travelcard.
Thanks Chris,
I’d double check that assertion before travel though. The London Rail and Tube Map shows a limited service on GA via Seven Sisters.
Hi Roger,
If you must use Greater Anglia to get to Cheshunt then you’ll need an off-peak day return from Boundary zone 6 to Cheshunt which is £4.90. It can be purchased from any station ticket office, plus ticket machines if they offer tickets from another station.
If you can restrict yourself to London Overground trains to Cheshunt then your 60+ Oyster card is valid all the way.
Hi Chris,
Has it got auto topup set? If yes, then it’s likely that collection of the last topup failed from your bank. Otherwise the most likely reason is a card or reader fault.
Pink Validators are my biggest annoyance. The official line is that you can’t start or end a journey using one. The reality is that if you touch one and you aren’t in the system then it will start a journey at that point. There is absolutely no way that a pink validator can end a journey though.
What I will say is that there is a yellow validator on platforms 9/10 at Stratford near the London end.
PS. Your favourite topic has recently resurfaced in respect of Kennington and I may just be about to document it.
No, you’re not missing anything. Adding a railcard discount to a 60+ Oyster is pointless.
You will need to buy a normal adult Oyster and get the railcard discount added to that.
As a final note, whilst brfares.com is brilliant for finding fares for the National Rail network, the Oyster and CPAY fare info is not always correct. This is not the fault of brfares. There is no direct link between the data used by brfares and the TfL database which means that the fares can sometimes be wrong. There are also a lot of missing fares.
I haven’t used an Oyster card which generates statements for a while, but I’ve just tried to set my current card up and the stupid website kept chucking me off.
It depends. If the touch in is at a gate then it will be fine. If the touch in is at another validator then it may be treated as an exit. If the whole journey you eventually make is covered by your travelcard then there won’t be an issue. If travelling beyond the zones covered and both starting stations have validators and are within the zones covered by a travelcard then it might be safer to touch in on a bus (and get straight off). This will ensure that the second touch in is treated as a touch in and buses are always free with any travelcard.
Hi Andyboy,
Immediate same station exit doesn’t work at validators, only gates. With validators you need to wait until 2 minutes has passed at which point the cheapest single fare from that station will be charged. However, if the station is within the zones covered by your travelcard then there is no penalty for not touching out, you can just leave the touch in there. Finally, if the reason for not travelling was disruption or no service then the helpdesk will refund the entry charge if one had been made.
Hi Mark,
Benfleet is outside zones 1-6 so it’s not possible to combine that with another destination outside zones 1-6. Your best option is to get an Amersham to zones 1-6 travelcard which is routed “AAA zones 7-9” and use that with a Benfleet to boundary zone 6 return. If you can be certain that both journeys will be via Upminster then you can buy Benfleet to Upminster which can be bought online. The boundary zone ticket cannot be bought online.
They indicate if you’ve gone via a particular route and are eligible for a different fare. They are generally only needed if you don’t need to change from one station to another (eg NR-LU).
I think TfL have misunderstood the situation. There is no difference in charge between taking trains operated by different companies over the same route. The fact that they use different platforms at Clapham Junction is irrelevant.
For this journey (Epsom to Perivale) the avoiding zone 1 route is defined by changing at Shepherds Bush so you don’t need to worry about doing anything other than changing trains at Clapham Junction.
Touching a yellow reader would end your journey and could have serious revenue implications.
Hi,
Yes you can buy tickets from West Drayton, though beware that they also offer fares via London which you obviously don’t want. You will be able to book a seat from Paddington, but you’ll probably need to do that at a station once you have the tickets.
1) If they know about it, probably, but would they know?
2) I would have thought so, but I don’t know for certain.Two potential issues come to mind:
1) If there are staff around at Stratford it might look fishy switching platforms immediately.
2) If you are delayed you’ll get two max fares which might be difficult to justify.I’ve also heard that Kennington will be dual zoned, but as I said the problem is the Kennington to Elephant stretch. It’s the first time a journey will be possible along a boundary where the fares are different in each zone.
Whitechapel to Bethnal Green Overground is crying out to be an OSI. Initially I suggest writing to (emailing) the Oyster helpdek. If enough people do they may consider it. I have some other plans but these have been largely put on hold by the pandemic.
Hi Chris,
I’m not aware of any potential OSIs with Nine Elms. Battersea and Battersea Park is likely.
As for zone 1, it’s a nightmare. The developers who are part funding the extension demanded that it be in zone 1, but I’m fully expecting a new dual zoned sausage like the Stratford arrangement. Kennington to Elephant & Castle has to remain in zone 2. The problem of course is that 2 or 3 is the same fare in the Stratford area, whilst 1 or 2 is most definitely not.
Arrival at Wimbledom 62 minutes after touching in for a tram will trigger an incomplete rail journey. As no end to end tram journey takes more than an hour, I believe that this is effectively a maximum journey time for trams. I’m not aware that it’s publicised anywhere, but if you’re still on a tram after that much time then it would be difficult to claim that you were acting legally unless there had been serious disruption.
As for buses, I didn’t think there was a maximum journey time. When the RPI boards the bus they log in to the bus reader and download the cards that have touched in during that journey. Only those cards will pass the inspection. This may explain why the driver didn’t say anything. It does appear that there may be a maximum to cover the eventuality that the bus doesn’t properly clear it’s database at the end of the journey. I’ll have to make some enquiries about this. Certainly 2.5 hours would seem to be enough for an end to end journey in all but the most extreme cases.
