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That’s interesting. How long was there between touching in for the second tram and touching in on the bus? Could that actually have been a hopper?
Hi Michael,
Use of the tram will trigger the zone 1-3 cap of £6.30. You’ll pay £5.80 because the 4 journeys won’t reach the cap.
Hi Hazy,
It’ll happen again if you repeat the same journeys. Basically any bus journey counts towards all 3 caps, the anytime rail cap, the off-peak rail cap and the bus cap. It was introduced when weekly capping was first applied to Oyster and it’s never been fixed.
Hi Adam,
£2.35 is the discounted fare. Without the railcard it is £3.60. Sadly this is a known disadvantage for railcard holders travelling to boundary zone 1/2 stations in the evening peak. Changing the programming to allow some users to be charged to the extra zone would potentially increase the calculation time allowed to process the touch while the card is still touching the reader.
The purpose of offering off-peak fares ending in zone 1 in the evening peak is to encourage people travelling into London for evening entertainment to use public transport.
Hi Lauren,
Weybridge is currently beyond the contactless area, so you’d need to buy a ticket for at least part of the journey. I think the cheapest reasonable route is likely to be via Wimbledon. You’d need an Anytime return from Weybridge to Wimbledon which is £12.60, then use PAYG from Wimbledon to South Kensington on the District Line which is £3.70 peak (£3.00 off-peak if you touch in after 1900 at South Kensington). Total £20.00 (or £19.30) which is quite a bit cheaper than the Anytime day travelcard at £29.40.
If your commute is generally 5 days a week then a season ticket for Weybridge to Wimbledon will save a bit, but I’d still use PAYG for the Underground.
Fares and caps will be the usual bank holiday ones (ie off-peak all day). You’ll need to check individual operators for what services will be running. There may be some engineering work.
Hi Martin,
No it wouldn’t. The hopper fare was derived from the original tram system including the feeder buses in Addington, so a touch within an hour of the first one would have been effectively ignored.
And I can report that the pads now have pink stickers back on them, together with a plastic cover hich I’ve not seen before but doesn’t stop the reader from being used.
Yes, you should keep the Oyster card number to yourself. It won’t be printed on receipts as far as I know, and certainly not in full.
Hi Duncan,
I’ve split this so as not to confuse an open thread.
It’ll be the second option. The off-peak cap applies for the journeys you make and the zones you use after 0930. Having said that, in the specific case of the zip 11-15 card the same off-peak cap applies all the way to zone 9, so you won’t notice anything different.
Hi Joel,
Short answer is No. When in the system a pink validator simply records a via point. As you’ve found, if out of the system it will recond an entry. If you need to end a PAYG journey you’ll need to use the gate under platform 1.
Just to bring this up to date. At the same time as asking for the number of people using each actual OSI pair, I also asked for data for Manor House to Harringay Green Lanes. It’s being used by 20-40 people a day in both directions with a 4-week total of 874. This would put it 102nd out of 123 OSIs (once duplicate station codes have been agregated). It’s not as big as the other case I’m looking at – more on that in a day or so – but I’d still support it being added.
Cheers Chris,
I don’t know why but I thought you had a railcard. Oops!
I think you’ll need to call the helpdesk and ask them why it was refused. It might be because it wasn’t just a journey on the Elizabeth line, but that shouldn’t make a difference.
You can’t add a 60+ to a standard Oyster for the same reason that you can’t add credit to a 60+ Oyster.
The only trains that are excluded are the Heathrow and Gatwick Expresses and South Eastern High Speed into St Pancras.
Hi Patricia,
The 60+ Oyster card is not a simple thing. It is valid on TfL services from 0900, but non-TfL services from 0930. So someone travelling from Norwood Junction to New Cross Gate at 0900 has to be careful to get an Overground train rather than a Southern one. Outside the zones it’s valid on TfL services* but not non-TfL services, so from Shenfield you can use the Elizabeth line but not Greater Anglia. Obviously these distinctions can’t be decided by the gate pads which is why you can’t add credit to a 60+ Oyster card.
In terms of extension tickets, you can buy those from some stations, or online. You might have to use a named station rather than boundary of zone 6 if buying online. I’m not sure whether you can use e-tickets if you don’t scan them in at the beginning of the journey. The prices will be the standard ticket prices, not the PAYG prices. For Gatwick you can get the PAYG price by getting off at East Croydon and taking the next train once you’ve touched out the 60+ and in with the bank card. If you have a senior railcard then that can be added to an Oyster card and used for East Croydon to Gatwick. St Albans isn’t so easy because there are fewer trains stopping at the boundary station Elstree and Borehamwood. Oyster also isn’t valid at St Albans.
*But not the Elizabeth line between West Drayton and Reading.
Yes, that certainly seems to be the case. What I’m not sure is whether it’s supposed to be the case. If not it could get fixed at any moment.
Hi Joel,
I’m completely with you on this topic. Manor House to Harringay Green Lanes is a signposted walk and I do think it should be an OSI. Making the case for such interchanges is a background task which I am progressing at the moment. You could certainly write to TfL and request that they consider adding it. The more people who do so increases the chance that it might happen. There are certainly plenty of journey opportunities that would benefit from it.
Looking at your other coments, South Hampstead to Swiss Cottage is not quite so clear cut. Both lines head out in a similar North West direction so it’s not clear how many people would benefit. In this case, the stated definition of the dotted line, which is to indicate nearby stations under 10 minutes walking distance, is probably justified. They cleverly don’t describe the dotted line as an interchange, but I agree that the distinction between the two is blurred.
As for Woolwich, there are only two stations, Woolwich (EL) and Woolwich Arsenal. The latter contains both the DLR and SE/TL behind the same gatelines. There is an OSI defined between the two stations. The map certainly doesn’t help putting the DLR so far away from the National Rail lines.
I’m testing it this evening. First port of call this afternoon was Dartford (8) and the gates rejected it with code 57. Will be trying a few other places later, including Waltham Cross (7) which I believe is still a Greater Anglia station.
